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Posted:
Nov 12, 2025 - 1:16pm
kurtster wrote:
Re : The Shutdown
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
Except I never read Richardâs posts. He just jockeys to have every RAFT entry with his name on them, so itâs obvious thereâs not much discernment there..
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
It was about ACA subsidies and blocking the republicans, just as it was about blocking ACA and the democrats for the republicans.
(there is so much lack of understanding of what ACA was and has subsequently become, as a result of bad actions by both parties...which given the lack of transparency within our healthcare system, isnt such a surprise).
But you are partly right, it wasn't about providing affordable healthcare options - from either party - but about continuing to pay insurance companies for premiums that continue to spiral out of control. Then again, the current compromise is only a stopgap measure for the next three months. Perhaps the democrats can get their act together by then and stop arguing to continue to pay insurance companies more $.
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Posted:
Nov 12, 2025 - 11:17am
kurtster wrote:
Re : The Shutdown
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
Except I never read Richardâs posts. He just jockeys to have every RAFT entry with his name on them, so itâs obvious thereâs not much discernment there..
And of course it was about the ACÃ, the dreaded horrible attempt at providing healthcare to the nation, that was so mind-blowingly terrible (who would give their citizens healthcare!?!?! Except the entire rest of the developed world). Trying to gaslight us doesnât work at all, really.
Trump and the jellyfish GOP were just trying to ruin something associated with a successful President, just like heâs ruining so many other things out of spite.
I've been struggling to make sense of the shutdown. I just saw Kudlow (who many here used to have a high regard until he joined Trump) opine.
The shutdown was never about healthcare, it was always about opposing Trump and nothing else, regardless of the pain this power play inflicted on those who could least afford it. That is all the democrats have to offer, opposing Trump and they do not care who they hurt in the process. In this continuing effort to destroy all things repub and Trump, the dems are actually destroying themselves.
I believe that the post richard made below illustrates this same point as well.
I feel better having put this into a meaningful perspective and can now move onto other things.
The White House was blindsided by the idea and is now dealing with a furious backlash from conservative allies, business leaders and lawmakers
Amusing to think that the Federal Housing Finance Director can cause such a $hitstorm by walking up to Drumpf and floating a dumb idea...while Donnie's aides stand by helplessly.
This is the same turd who goes around accusing Drumpf's enemies or targets of mortgage fraud—without evidence.
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Posted:
Nov 11, 2025 - 8:56am
ColdMiser wrote:
The Republicans will control the narrative before the Dems even get a semblance of plan to message this. They will be waiting to hear from the consultants and pollsters before putting their fingers to the wind and push forward some BS that will get them nowhere. We really need to clean house, this is just pathetic.
The problem stems from Conservative wanting something that was, so there's agreement on what that looks like. Progressives, though, all have different ideas and refuse to compromise and align, and so are easy pickings. They bicker about stuff amongst themselves because they have their personal hot buttons, and the GOP has figured out that they just need to hold their nose, put aside their morality perspectives, and vote as a bloc, just to get power.
Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The âdefectorâ scapegoats donât face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) âHoliday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? Youâre welcome. We couldnât bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.â
3) At midterms weâll hear âwe ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that theyâre willing to literally starve you.â
4) Later: âYour healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.â
5) âYou donât like this? Vote Dem next time.â
The Republicans will control the narrative before the Dems even get a semblance of plan to message this. They will be waiting to hear from the consultants and pollsters before putting their fingers to the wind and push forward some BS that will get them nowhere. We really need to clean house, this is just pathetic.
2 of which are from my state, NH. Shaheen is retiring she could give a flying F about NH. And Hassan probably will retire before 2028, I'd rather see her resign.
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Posted:
Nov 10, 2025 - 2:33pm
black321 wrote:
That's how I look at it...and i believe only temp agreement, funding through Jan...so still a lot of negotiating left. Let's get thing working again while we figure a full year plan...
But - the amount of short sightedness in the Dem party (âIâll never vote Dem again after thisâ) will be a real problem. They need to stop arguing about pronouns and get to the real issue: loss of voting rights.
Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The âdefectorâ scapegoats donât face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) âHoliday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? Youâre welcome. We couldnât bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.â
3) At midterms weâll hear âwe ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that theyâre willing to literally starve you.â
4) Later: âYour healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.â
5) âYou donât like this? Vote Dem next time.â
That's how I look at it...and i believe only temp agreement, funding through Jan...so still a lot of negotiating left. Let's get thing working again while we figure a full year plan...
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Posted:
Nov 10, 2025 - 2:05pm
Think about this, tho. If the Democrat party is playing chess (hopefully)
1) The âdefectorâ scapegoats donât face election recall, so they were chosen by Dem leadership to cast these votes as they were most protected from being voted out in November.
2) âHoliday travel and plane flights and paychecks returned for the winter? Youâre welcome. We couldnât bear to see you suffer, but Republicans wanted you to.â
3) At midterms weâll hear âwe ended the GOP tantrum; they were showing that theyâre willing to literally starve you.â
4) Later: âYour healthcare premiums went up, well, it was obviously the GOP intention that we warned you about.â
5) âYou donât like this? Vote Dem next time.â
The Republicans are back where they were during Trumpâs first term â repeal ACA (Obamacare) and replace it with nothing. Talk about the need for âreformâof the system, but do nothing more than getting rid of the ACA and making cuts to Medicaid.
I guess you could argue that ACA in its current form is better than nothing, but...It really speaks to the point democrats can/should control the narrative.
eg, ok, lets get rid of ACA, which you, the GOP gutted and made ineffective, with a better plan...or are you, the GOP, only interested in making further cuts to medicaid/healthcare?
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Posted:
Nov 10, 2025 - 12:43pm
rgio wrote:
Trump's got a plan like nobody has ever seen before, available in two weeks. Just you wait. It'll be amazing.
Republican plan... let's take away healthcare and stop feeding people because the rich have been paying too much in taxes.
The Republicans are back where they were during Trumpâs first term â repeal ACA (Obamacare) and replace it with nothing. Talk about the need for âreformâof the system, but do nothing more than getting rid of the ACA and making cuts to Medicaid.
