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Electric Light Orchestra — 10538 Overture
Album: No Answer
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Released: 1971
Length: 5:22
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Did you see your friend crying from his eyes today?
Did you see him run through the streets and far away?
Aah
Did you see him run, did you see him fall?
Did his life flash by at the bedroom door?

Did you hear the news it came across the air today?
Someone has been found on the rocks down in the bay
Ahhh
Did you see him hide, did you see him crawl?
Does his life mean more than it did before?

Did you see that man running through the streets today?
Did you catch his face, was it 10538?
Ahhhh
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 fatcatjb wrote:
I hope this is a very, very short song
 
You tit.
Posted 5 years ago by BCarn    [ Reply ]
Yes indeed slope...here is wishing you a spectacular 2019
 westslope wrote:
I retain a sentimental attachment.  For new listeners, I can understand the reticence.  

Brave stuff back in the day. 

 

And yes so very Beatlesque but still distinctive.  Even more pompous.  


 
Posted 5 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
I hope this is a very, very short song
Posted 6 years ago by fatcatjb    [ Reply ]
Todd played "Do Ya" again on the recent Utopia tour, introducing it with "let's play some block chords." This seems about the same - and is great.
Posted 6 years ago by Steely_D    [ Reply ]
 Inorgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

 
Personally I would pay good money to see a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer
Posted 6 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
 MiracleDrug wrote:
umm..

The Beatles were a major influence on Jeff Lynne. In 1968 while performing with the Idle Race Lynne met The Beatles during the making of The White Album. Years later Lynne admitted, "To be in the same room as the four of them caused me not to sleep for, like, three days". The original aim of ELO was to take up "where the Beatles' I Am The Walrus had left off, and to present it on stage". Indeed, John Lennon had called them the "Sons of the Beatles".

Lynne admitted that he "was very influenced by the Beatles' sound of '68 and '69. That has obviously been a big influence on the way I've looked at songwriting" and said that being compared with The Beatles was the "ultimate compliment".


 
Indeed. And Lynne has certainly carried this production style through the years when collaborating with Harrison in particular (re, When we was Fab) and continues through to the Wilburys. Lynn kind over does it with this "sound". 
But I like it regardless.
Posted 7 years ago by BCarn    [ Reply ]
The continuation of Beatles with other means.
Posted 7 years ago by nicknt    [ Reply ]
brilliant
Posted 7 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
I am the walrus named Prudence living on Penny Lane.
Posted 7 years ago by ThePoose    [ Reply ]
Awful cello section.  Just plodding and heavy without any style.  So my ears say, anyway.  No offence.
Posted 7 years ago by DaidyBoy    [ Reply ]
This has Beatles and "Tommy" influences all over it.
Posted 7 years ago by deepwoodskev    [ Reply ]
 mgkiwi wrote:
Can't help singing "Dear Prudence......"

 
{#Yes}{#Yes}{#Yes}{#Yes}{#Yes}
Posted 7 years ago by deepwoodskev    [ Reply ]
 Inorgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

 
Very well put. This beautifully worded sentence fits on almost everything from YES also. "Preposterous" would also fit in perfect.
Fortunately 1976 Punk came upon us.
Posted 8 years ago by renekunst    [ Reply ]
norgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

  
Let's leave the Trump campaign out of this, shall we?
{#Clap}
Posted 8 years ago by kingart    [ Reply ]
 Inorgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

 
I'd pay good money to see that! WTF is a "skerrick"?

ELO did produce some abysmal turkeys as well as masterpieces, and this gobbles a bit though not intolerably to my ears, though the cello sawing is a bit of an earache.
Posted 8 years ago by fredriley    [ Reply ]
 Inorgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

 

What he said.


Posted 8 years ago by Hannio    [ Reply ]
 Inorgs wrote:
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   

 
Let's leave the Trump campaign out of this, shall we?
Posted 8 years ago by Imkirok    [ Reply ]
Abysmal, indulgent rubbish without a skerrick of wit or intelligence. It has the subtlety of a rhinoceros driving a bulldozer.   
Posted 8 years ago by Inorgs    [ Reply ]
 SugarPig wrote:
I'm all for eclectic instrumentation in rock music, and in the right hands the cello can be transcendant. But to me ELO's string section has always sound draggy and plodding.  Maybe JL intended the strings to sound heavy to keep up with the drums and guitar, but I don't hear any energy in the playing.  It's a great concept, but the execution just doesn't work for me.

 
Agree with your hearing of the strings.  They are pretty bad at the end of this tune.
Posted 8 years ago by the_jake    [ Reply ]
ABSOLUTE GENIUS!!!{#Bananajam}{#Drummer}{#Bananapiano}{#Boohoo}{#Boohoo}{#Boohoo}{#Guitarist}
Posted 8 years ago by molson    [ Reply ]
This sounds like "Flying" via Faces or the best version Long John Baldry.
Posted 8 years ago by dew34    [ Reply ]
I recall an interview with Bev Bevan commenting on punk in general and the Sex Pistols in particular, that they were complete rubbish, trash, shite, and so on. I guess from his POV he just didn't get that ELO (or at least some of the excess they were said to represent) was one of punk's, um, "targets." I always like ELO, but in the end I enjoyed the punks more. A lot to be said for anger, irreverence, and rebellion.
Posted 8 years ago by WonderLizard    [ Reply ]
 konakid  wrote:

I've always been partial to "On the Third Day"

 
Eldorado will always have a special place in my heart.
Posted 8 years ago by konakid    [ Reply ]
Let's face it the Beatles influenced most every band in some way it seems.NeuroGeek wrote:
Yikes.  Why did I ever think ELO could sing?  Sounds like the Beatles with a bad hangover.

 


Posted 8 years ago by konakid    [ Reply ]
The live versions of this song are always so much stronger! But it still rocks.
{#Bananajam}
Posted 8 years ago by konakid    [ Reply ]
 GTT wrote:
Best ELO song I never heard.

 
same here. that unmistakable Beatles influence.
Posted 8 years ago by phlattop    [ Reply ]
I always thing this is going to start 'dear prudence' which means I am usually disappointed 
Posted 9 years ago by MrsTom    [ Reply ]
Best ELO song I never heard.
Posted 10 years ago by GTT    [ Reply ]
 
I think there are double basses in this as well as violins and cellos. The string players must have l-o-v-e-d rocking out on this.
Posted 10 years ago by kcar    [ Reply ]
I agree that this quite likeable song was used very effectively in American Hustle.  That "music video" changes my take on this song.  It's not great by itself, yet it's representative of early '70s FM rock music while falling short of the outstanding and godlike tracks that are usually associated with the period. 
Posted 10 years ago by bluejay08003    [ Reply ]
Saw them live in Long Beach, Ca back in 1974. My first (and only) Qualude trip. Passed out on the floor. Not my best moment. I have no idea how the concert went.
Posted 10 years ago by stalfnzo    [ Reply ]
honk, honk honk honk honk, honk, honk honk, honk honk... ad infinitum
Posted 10 years ago by ick    [ Reply ]
This song figures prominently in American Hustle, a very good movie in theatres now.  


And Yes, it is on fire....
{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}{#Fire}
Posted 10 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
Yikes.  Why did I ever think ELO could sing?  Sounds like the Beatles with a bad hangover.
Posted 11 years ago by NeuroGeek    [ Reply ]
Can't help singing "Dear Prudence......"
Posted 11 years ago by mgkiwi    [ Reply ]
 Lazarus wrote:

Everybody in my church loves this song...
 

 
This band was a lot of fun to see in concert. Great memories {#Bananajam}
Posted 11 years ago by ShaunJ    [ Reply ]

Everybody in my church loves this song...
 
Posted 11 years ago by Lazarus    [ Reply ]

I retain a sentimental attachment.  For new listeners, I can understand the reticence.  

Brave stuff back in the day. 

 

And yes so very Beatlesque but still distinctive.  Even more pompous.  


Posted 11 years ago by westslope    [ Reply ]
 Tana wrote:
Clearly one of the MOST Beatlesque of the ELO catalog. Hello, Sgt. Pepper! See my compilation of Beatlesque songs at https://sites.google.com/site/tanamusicpicks/ which includes ELO's Mr. Blue Sky.
 
Nice compilation.
Posted 11 years ago by KurtfromLaQuinta    [ Reply ]
The more violins and cellos in songs the better...funny how ipad app has no emoticons...i feel like i am gagged...
Posted 11 years ago by rdo    [ Reply ]
 yahig wrote:
I was in a record store near Times square in 1970 or 71 and the clerk put this song on,I was sure it was the Beatles.The clerk was sort of coy saying he didn"t have a copy to sell ......yet. The label was handwritten a test press maybe. It sounds like Blue jay way strings with Abbey road guitar,  and those vocals. I was sure it was some snarky John Lennon joke.Wow this song drove me nuts ! A fog upon L.A. /Running through the streets of Paraguay.... Thanks
 
{#Yes}
Posted 11 years ago by KurtfromLaQuinta    [ Reply ]
ELO is one of a fortunately select few bands played on RP that cause me to reliably hit the PSD button. Ghastly, nails-on-chalkboard stuff. Ugh!
Posted 11 years ago by RobN    [ Reply ]
great sound, thanks for this as I have not heard this song before, and am an ELO fan.  Reading the posts below, who cares who they sound like, if they put together something that works.  You can't expect everything to be utterly original!!!!
Posted 12 years ago by suesblues    [ Reply ]
I was in a record store near Times square in 1970 or 71 and the clerk put this song on,I was sure it was the Beatles.The clerk was sort of coy saying he didn"t have a copy to sell ......yet. The label was handwritten a test press maybe. It sounds like Blue jay way strings with Abbey road guitar,  and those vocals. I was sure it was some snarky John Lennon joke.Wow this song drove me nuts ! A fog upon L.A. /Running through the streets of Paraguay.... Thanks
Posted 12 years ago by yahig    [ Reply ]
 ajlept wrote:

Sounds like Ozzy snorting Dr. Pepper!

 
Ozzy would still make it sound good somehow
Posted 12 years ago by Sloggydog    [ Reply ]
"It's a boy, Mrs. Walker, it's a boy"
Posted 12 years ago by helloitsme    [ Reply ]
I'm all for eclectic instrumentation in rock music, and in the right hands the cello can be transcendant. But to me ELO's string section has always sound draggy and plodding.  Maybe JL intended the strings to sound heavy to keep up with the drums and guitar, but I don't hear any energy in the playing.  It's a great concept, but the execution just doesn't work for me.
Posted 12 years ago by SugarPig    [ Reply ]
Yes!    The cello works fine in Rock.      Lynne is a genius.    Rockaria is my favourite though.

Posted 12 years ago by msymmes    [ Reply ]
could be Cheap Trick....well kinda {#Ask}

Posted 12 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
sounds like Ozzy doing St Pepper!
 
Sounds like Ozzy snorting Dr. Pepper!

Posted 12 years ago by ajlept    [ Reply ]
umm..

The Beatles were a major influence on Jeff Lynne. In 1968 while performing with the Idle Race Lynne met The Beatles during the making of The White Album. Years later Lynne admitted, "To be in the same room as the four of them caused me not to sleep for, like, three days". The original aim of ELO was to take up "where the Beatles' I Am The Walrus had left off, and to present it on stage". Indeed, John Lennon had called them the "Sons of the Beatles".

Lynne admitted that he "was very influenced by the Beatles' sound of '68 and '69. That has obviously been a big influence on the way I've looked at songwriting" and said that being compared with The Beatles was the "ultimate compliment".



Posted 13 years ago by MiracleDrug    [ Reply ]
Clearly one of the MOST Beatlesque of the ELO catalog. Hello, Sgt. Pepper! See my compilation of Beatlesque songs at https://sites.google.com/site/tanamusicpicks/ which includes ELO's Mr. Blue Sky.
Posted 13 years ago by Tana    [ Reply ]
who says the cello doesn't belong in rock 'n roll?
Posted 13 years ago by daveesh    [ Reply ]
ELO....is so underrated...great stuff

Posted 13 years ago by bluecshells    [ Reply ]
much beatles influence?
Posted 13 years ago by lshinkawa    [ Reply ]
Cool match of chord progression to the previous Cream song...a lot of early Floyd, too, had that descending bass-line thing going...Keep up the good work, Bill and the RP Team!
Posted 13 years ago by coloradojohn    [ Reply ]
 a_genuine_find wrote:
{#Ask}  what's the word I am looking for?  .... 

 
Overblown? no, wait, that'd be a complete understatement...

Posted 13 years ago by jpdribbler    [ Reply ]
 finoufk wrote:
ELO is such a great group !  but this song isn't their best , and isn't representative of their work. Please chech the "out of the blue " album or "time" , it's just outstanding !  does someone agree ?  {#Dance}
 
I've always been partial to "On the Third Day"
Posted 13 years ago by starcloud    [ Reply ]
I'll bet that I'm not the first here to think Weller/Changing Man.

Posted 13 years ago by hobiejoe    [ Reply ]
Woul be huge, if the cello player would be much better. Cello is out of tune too much.
Posted 13 years ago by eltom    [ Reply ]
ELO is such a great group !  but this song isn't their best , and isn't representative of their work. Please chech the "out of the blue " album or "time" , it's just outstanding !  does someone agree ?  {#Dance}
Posted 13 years ago by finoufk    [ Reply ]
So weak..Please make it stop.
Posted 13 years ago by claya    [ Reply ]
 a_genuine_find wrote:
{#Ask}  what's the word I am looking for?  ....  {#Think}  Schmaltzy!

 
RIPOFF!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Pete


Posted 13 years ago by petesoper    [ Reply ]
{#Ask}  what's the word I am looking for?  ....  {#Think}  Schmaltzy!

Posted 13 years ago by a_genuine_find    [ Reply ]
Please make it stop.
Posted 13 years ago by claya    [ Reply ]
I used to think Oasis was ripping off the Beatles, now I realize they were ripping off E.L.O. ripping of the Beatles.{#Tongue-out}
Posted 13 years ago by to_the_eleven    [ Reply ]
Love ELO, but this is not close to my favorite. Just remember what it was like back in 1971.
Posted 13 years ago by GeneP59    [ Reply ]
brings back memories of 8 tracks looping all night long with the headphones on while in dream land . . . heavenly!
Posted 13 years ago by starcloud    [ Reply ]
 Jalmari wrote:
I think thats exactly what they were trying , to go on where Beatles ended.
 
Yes, but The Beatles knew they should stop before they went over the cliff...these guys just kept driving.


Posted 13 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
sounds like Ozzy doing St Pepper!
 
I would buy that! {#Cool}
Posted 13 years ago by SinisterDexter    [ Reply ]
I think thats exactly what they were trying , to go on where Beatles ended.
Posted 13 years ago by Jalmari    [ Reply ]
Please make it STOP!!!!!
Posted 13 years ago by claya    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
sounds like Ozzy doing St Pepper!
 
{#Roflol}

Posted 13 years ago by xtalman    [ Reply ]
 loopy_in_loudoun wrote:
Ouch!
Maybe it sounded good in 1968 (or whenever), but today it is so painfully derivative of the work of FAR more talented artists (Beatles/George Martin).
 
How on earth is this derivative of the Beatles? ELO had its own very distinctive style and sound, and AFAIK was the first ever pop group to feature violins and cellos in the standard lineup. They may not have been original - what music is? - and they were undoubtedly influenced by the Beatles and many, many others, but they were definitely not a Beatles rip-off band. ELO were highly innovative in their time and their sound is unmistakable.

This is not one of their better numbers, IMO, although it does show their 'classical pretentions' quite well. I personally prefer their fun stuff such as Mr Blue Sky.

Posted 13 years ago by fredriley    [ Reply ]
Ahhh finally...the overused descending chord progression in repetition...oh wait...there's strings here though...so incredibly cool and innovative....wait...I don't care.
Posted 13 years ago by ziakut    [ Reply ]
 vandal wrote:
 
  
 I don't know what this emoticon suggests but I think I agree


Posted 13 years ago by pinto    [ Reply ]
 Skorokoro wrote:
is that where paul weller picked up the beginning of changing man? {#Rolleyes}
 

Glad someone else thought this too
Posted 14 years ago by BoynHill    [ Reply ]
Ouch!
Maybe it sounded good in 1968 (or whenever), but today it is so painfully derivative of the work of FAR more talented artists (Beatles/George Martin).

Someone requested Badfinger. Now THAT would be more like it... 
Posted 14 years ago by loopy_in_loudoun    [ Reply ]
I buried Paul bobcat1963 wrote:
beatlesk without the beatles is rather grotesk...

 


Posted 14 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
oh thank you for making it stop!
Posted 14 years ago by claya    [ Reply ]
Agh. This is awful.
Posted 14 years ago by teapot    [ Reply ]
 bindi wrote:
sounds like Ozzy doing St Pepper!
 
{#Lol}

Posted 14 years ago by fingerpin    [ Reply ]
E.L.O. is so cool...maybe we can do some Badfinger as well

Posted 14 years ago by 1wolfy    [ Reply ]
beatlesk without the beatles is rather grotesk...

Posted 14 years ago by bobcat1963    [ Reply ]
 scottflory wrote:
reminds me of a beatles song... with the lyrics "i know what its like to be sad"...  ?  anyone?
 
She said, she said from Revolver.


Posted 14 years ago by Zigi    [ Reply ]
I once heard ELO started as a band that wanted to sound like "I am the Walrus". Listening to this, they almost pulled it off.
Posted 14 years ago by Zigi    [ Reply ]
I buried George ... I buried George ...
Posted 14 years ago by cosmiclint    [ Reply ]
Saw ELO live years ago, and can't figure that they are Beatles wannabees. Very good concert, but this song gives me the creeps. 5
Posted 14 years ago by Huey    [ Reply ]
sounds like Ozzy doing St Pepper!
Posted 14 years ago by bindi    [ Reply ]
I was about to say this sounds like ELO. Checked and...um....yeah. Very well then. Carry on.
Posted 14 years ago by Forest267    [ Reply ]
Always did like this track.  One of my favorite ELO tunes.  Quirky, I'd say.(I do like the cello, though!)

Posted 14 years ago by shutter    [ Reply ]
I just KNOW we can be the Beatles!  I just KNOW it!  hahahaha!!!  {#Beat}

Jeff Lynn's best work was as a producer after leaving elo.
Posted 14 years ago by George_Tirebiter    [ Reply ]
Fascinating.  Lots of respect for Jeff Lynne as George Harrison's long time collaborator/producer.
Obviously George, and Petty and Dylan and others loved his work in that role.

But while they were out there I always thought of his band as really a thrid or fourth rate Beatle wannabe.

And this - in my ears - was not one of their better efforts.


Posted 14 years ago by lemmoth    [ Reply ]
george martin should have gotten royalties from these guys
Posted 14 years ago by rp1125    [ Reply ]
                                {#Boohoo}
                       {#Boohoo} {#Guitarist} {#Boohoo}
                                {#Boohoo}
Posted 14 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
ahhh, the memories. still sounds good to me.

Posted 14 years ago by thewiseking    [ Reply ]
OLE ELO was the first album (actually a cassette) I ever bought. 6th grade. Will never forget it. Sounds a little dated today, but I love it so...{#Hearteyes}

Posted 14 years ago by crockydile    [ Reply ]
There is a great live version of this song found as a B side of an ELO 45. Never really listen to the A (hit) side, so I can't recall it. Is the mix a little off on this digital remastering? Thanks for playing this, Bill.
Posted 14 years ago by Buffalocarl    [ Reply ]
Ghastly - I had to switch off!!
Posted 14 years ago by SueStubbs    [ Reply ]
 Proclivities wrote:
If someone were to put Roy Wood in a grave, he'd probably be doing more than just "turning" - especially since he's not dead.
 
{#Roflol} Thanks for responding to Stingray's nonsensical gibberish; I guess someone's gotta do it!

Posted 14 years ago by On_The_Beach    [ Reply ]
 Stingray wrote:
ROY WOOD TURNS IN HIS GRAVE!
TRUE-TRUE NIGHMARE!!!!!

PS
With JEFF LYNNE THE CHEATER!!!!
Rock-Music is another department

 
If someone were to put Roy Wood in a grave, he'd probably be doing more than just "turning" - especially since he's not dead.

Posted 14 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
reminds me of a beatles song... with the lyrics "i know what its like to be sad"...  ?  anyone?
Posted 14 years ago by scottflory    [ Reply ]
 peter_james_bond wrote:
While my ears gently bleed....{#Cry}
 
you too?
Posted 14 years ago by Jelani    [ Reply ]
 Skorokoro wrote:
is that where paul weller picked up the beginning of changing man? {#Rolleyes}
 
Wow...that's spot on.   You're right.

Posted 14 years ago by ruthenus    [ Reply ]
While my ears gently bleed....{#Cry}
Posted 14 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
Chill dude.

Yes it can grate a bit, especially the endless sawing on the cellos. ;)
No need to get all 24 point about it though. Press mute or skip to a local play list instead. =)
Personally its a 4 from me, and I like ELO.
Posted 14 years ago by Frater_Kork    [ Reply ]
POSSIBLY THE NASTIEST SONG EVER...!!! ENDLESSLY STUPID!

Posted 15 years ago by Stingray    [ Reply ]
ROY WOOD TURNS IN HIS GRAVE!
TRUE-TRUE NIGHMARE!!!!!

PS
With JEFF LYNNE THE CHEATER!!!!
Rock-Music is another department

Posted 15 years ago by Stingray    [ Reply ]
Suddenly I'm about 15 again in darkest West London...boy but this takes me back!

Posted 15 years ago by Chelshite    [ Reply ]
is that where paul weller picked up the beginning of changing man? {#Rolleyes}
Posted 15 years ago by Skorokoro    [ Reply ]
Ahhh, love it that I stumbled in here in time to catch this one!
Posted 15 years ago by sharkartist    [ Reply ]
Not my favorite ELO, by any means. The vocals are purely annoying.
Posted 15 years ago by rtrudeau    [ Reply ]
 SweTex wrote:
What happened to Roy Wood anyway? Did'nt he die a few years ago?
 
He's still around.  Roy Wood Website.

Posted 15 years ago by Proclivities    [ Reply ]
excellent.
Posted 15 years ago by slowhand    [ Reply ]
 ick wrote:
I like ELO... but I've always hated this song by them.  The annoying scraping and screeching is just bogus.
 
Like fingers on a chalk board! I picture the ghosts of Mozart, Beethoven and Bach stabbing and slashing the sheet music to this overture 10538 times with violin bows until the shredded bits are so tiny the notes are unrecognizable. Then they high five each other... nice work gentlemen.
Posted 15 years ago by peter_james_bond    [ Reply ]
Tree_Hugger wrote:
Odd that I thought it was Cheap Trick/Robin Zander at first. Me brain is fading....

No it's not just you.  I had the radio down low and thought "Wow, Bill is playing Downed...."


Posted 15 years ago by RadioDoc    [ Reply ]
Interesting. I just realized that Collective Soul's "December" uses the same chord progression.
Posted 15 years ago by zaknafein    [ Reply ]
 mnmrosen wrote:


It was after Black Sabbath, but before the B-52s. {#Rolleyes}
 

{#Roflol}
Posted 15 years ago by SweTex    [ Reply ]
 dougment wrote:
Was Ozzy Osbourne with ELO before or after Black Sabbath?
 

It was after Black Sabbath, but before the B-52s. {#Rolleyes}
Posted 15 years ago by mnmrosen    [ Reply ]