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Made me see where I've been
Been down one time
Been down two times
I'm never going back again
You don't know what it means to win
Come down and see me again
Been down one time
Been down two times
I'm never going back again
Thank you for your thoughtful piece.
hey, thanks for all this. i knew of peter green's fleetwood mac, but i didn't know the rest of this history. very cool of you to share.
Yep. got two copies.
c.
Some songs get a 10 after only a few bars. This is one-of-them. :-)
A wonderful group, in all of their incarnations.
Which version of Fleetwood Mac?
I got over that. Now, I can appreciate them. Damn what a fine band, both pre-Nicks/Bucky and later. So many great songs. This is one of them!
and they had their own style
didn't copy what was popular at the time
and no one copied them (surprisingly)
they were unique
I got over that. Now, I can appreciate them. Damn what a fine band, both pre-Nicks/Bucky and later. So many great songs. This is one of them!
If you were unclear before now as to how she ruined the band, my explanation will most certainly fall on deaf ears: "Listen to their old rock and blues based stuff. It's so much better than their later pop pablum."
For the record, Christine McVie was one of the pillars of this band, and has a never-expiring proposal of marriage from me — if her people would ever withdraw that ridiculous restraining order. (Just kidding ... )
WonderLizard wrote:
To be fair, unclehud's comment was made jokingly (mostly, and it's funny too). However, I suspect there are some folks who take that view seriously. Your point WonderLizard is a good one: Lindsey and Stevie did not take over the band from outside, they were invited, welcomed.
Fleetwood Mac formed in 1967 and released nine albums before Buckingham and Nicks were recruited:
Fleetwood Mac (1968)
Mr. Wonderful (1968)
Then Play On (1969)
Kiln House (1970)
Future Games (1971)
Bare Trees (1972)
Penguin (1973)
Mystery to Me (1973)
Heroes Are Hard to Find (1974)
Their sound changed dramatically over time and with each of several different member lineups. It's understandable if folks have a favorite lineup or album or two. Every album has some worthy work. But here's the thing —
If they could have kept any prior iteration of the group together and functional, they would have:
- 1970: Founding member Peter Green succumbed to his growing schizophrenia and departed the group. Christine (Perfect) McVie recruited.
- 1971: Founding member Jeremy Spencer unexpectedly disappeared having joined a religious cult. Bob Welch recruited.
- 1972: Early member Danny Kirwan, struggling with alcohol dependence and violent moods, was reluctantly fired.
- 1972-74: A host of personnel and legal troubles finally culminated in Bob Welch departing the band.
- 1974 (final days of): Mick Fleetwood was introduced to Lindsey Buckingham and recruited him. Lindsey joined on condition that Stevie Nicks was included.
Famously, that incarnation of the band also had their difficulties yet managed to continue to work together (imagine writing a song about the person who cheated on you and performing it, on stage, next to that person).
So, about "blaming" Buckingham or Nicks, or both, for "ruining" Fleetwood Mac. That appears to be some folks' emotional truth, and I think I get that. But logically it's unsound. No one has to like their version, or any version, of the band. And you know, upon reflection, why must anyone be blamed?
I think if you asked Mick he'd say that Buckingham and Nicks helped save his band one more time, not ruin it.
(Edit: Two days later) Mick Fleetwood: ‘Peter Green is the reason there’s a Fleetwood Mac'
(Mick praises both Green and Buckingham in this recent article for their creative drive and influence on the band.)
"Some bands, like AC/DC, have lost members and replaced them with someone who is almost a duplicate of their predecessor. Perhaps because I'm not a writer or lead player myself, I've always believed you should accept musicians for what they are. That's why Fleetwood Mac became so many different things over the years."
— Mick Fleetwood
I'm just grateful for a lot of Fleetwood Mac's music across all of the lineups.
Oh well, it's just my opinion. Peace.
Why, Stevie Nicks, of course! Everybody knows that! Everybody in my hotel room, anyway.
If you were unclear before now as to how she ruined the band, my explanation will most certainly fall on deaf ears: "Listen to their old rock and blues based stuff. It's so much better than their later pop pablum."
For the record, Christine McVie was one of the pillars of this band, and has a never-expiring proposal of marriage from me — if her people would ever withdraw that ridiculous restraining order. (Just kidding ... )
Wonderlizard already addressed the idea that somehow Stevie Nicks single-handedly changed the direction of Fletwood Mac, but... If you really think of the (1975) "Fleetwood Mac" and "Rumors" albums as "pop pablum", then I guess I can see how you'd mix up "deaf" and "freakin' incredulous".
I do raise all hands and feet. THAT album + Rumours remain unforgettable great moments forever.
One of the best concerts I've seen.
hot, yeah, sort of. still mad as a bag of cats but the album, Rumours, outstanding.
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I do raise all hands and feet. THAT album + Rumours remain unforgettable great moments forever.
One of the best concerts I've seen.
Why, Stevie Nicks, of course! Everybody knows that! Everybody in my hotel room, anyway.
If you were unclear before now as to how she ruined the band, my explanation will most certainly fall on deaf ears: "Listen to their old rock and blues based stuff. It's so much better than their later pop pablum."
For the record, Christine McVie was one of the pillars of this band, and has a never-expiring proposal of marriage from me — if her people would ever withdraw that ridiculous restraining order. (Just kidding ... )
Well, I guess you can lay blame where you want, but Fleetwood and McVie hand picked Nicks and Buckingham for the next incarnation of Fleetwood Mac, so I guess you have to lay a little of the blame on them. It was their band. Just sayin'...
I do raise all hands and feet. THAT album + Rumours remain unforgettable great moments forever.
They were a very good blues band back in the day
Absolutely a great album. I keep checking to see if it has been released on CD, nope. Keep hearing a rumour (pun intended) that it might be but nada so far. I have a MP3 version but not great quality.
I read an article this week about the new resissue of Rumours, and one of the many interesting tidbits of information was the fact that all the Buckingham/Nicks songs off their first Fleetwood Mac album were songs written for the follow-up to Buckingham/Nicks but reworked for Fleetwood Mac. The Rumours songs were the first songs actually written and recorded as full band collaborations.
The musical geek in my loves stuff like that.
i have one of those in me too. good tidbit.
I read an article this week about the new resissue of Rumours, and one of the many interesting tidbits of information was the fact that all the Buckingham/Nicks songs off their first Fleetwood Mac album were songs written for the follow-up to Buckingham/Nicks but reworked for Fleetwood Mac. The Rumours songs were the first songs actually written and recorded as full band collaborations.
The musical geek in my loves stuff like that.
I don't think I'm a very negative person, but I can't stand this song, because she ruined Fleetwood Mac.
I am a negative person, and I love the three Fleetwood Mac 70s albums with Buckingham and Nicks. The down-tempo songs are a bit too radio-friendly for my taste, especially the Christine McVie ones. But that's a minor issue.
Cassette Deck? ; )
Hey ! Where did you get a CD in the late 70 s ???
Why, Stevie Nicks, of course! Everybody knows that! Everybody in my hotel room, anyway.
If you were unclear before now as to how she ruined the band, my explanation will most certainly fall on deaf ears: "Listen to their old rock and blues based stuff. It's so much better than their later pop pablum."
For the record, Christine McVie was one of the pillars of this band, and has a never-expiring proposal of marriage from me — if her people would ever withdraw that ridiculous restraining order. (Just kidding ... )
I was 12 or so .. cruising through the West Virginia mountains with my family.
That was the very first time I heard this song. Picked up the 8 track at a roadside shop.
Wonderful memories.
Indeed, it is good. I have it in MP3 format...
Got my hand up!
Yes, it's a classic. So many good songs on it...
And I believe "Crystal" was re-recorded when they joined up with FM.
I don't think I'm a very negative person, but I can't stand this song, because she ruined Fleetwood Mac.
Which "she" ruined Fleetwood Mac and how?
yessss!
But - there's even a better version: search for track 8 on Disk 1 of the Fleetwood Mac - "Live" album
I agree; a beautiful slowed-down acoustic version; very nice.
But - there's even a better version: search for track 8 on Disk 1 of the Fleetwood Mac - "Live" album
I don't think I'm a very negative person, but I can't stand this song, because she ruined Fleetwood Mac.
Or did she goad them into making some incredibly heartfelt music? I'm not a fan of hers either, but this album is one of the greatest ever made. Conflict seems to have brought out the best (and worst) in them.
fabulous fingerpicker
I don't think I'm a very negative person, but I can't stand this song, because she ruined Fleetwood Mac.
I wish there was an extended remix of this one.
It's only fault... too short.
"I Know I'm Not Wrong" off of Tusk is another classic by him.
It's too bad it never seems to get played anywhere.
He's amazing! There's an acoustic guitar track on "Out of the Cradle" in which it sounds like he's playing two songs simultaneously. Incredible fingers!
Yes, Always a great sounds from his fingers.
He's amazing! There's an acoustic guitar track on "Out of the Cradle" in which it sounds like he's playing two songs simultaneously. Incredible fingers!
Agreed, as popular as they were, he was still very underrated.
Couldn't agree more!!!!!
I agree with everything you are saying... I remember it like it was yesterday... hard to believe it has been so long... time flies when we're having fun...
love it...
Are you sure?
So very true, that guy is a genius.
Never really paid close attention to Fleetwood Mac until recently.
My girlfriend is crazy about them and their solo projects, and will travel great distance to see them live.
I got to see them play in Toronto recently... very good show.
Great vantage point view- wise. . . not so great for sound.
I had certainly heard of them, but after seeing them, we all wondered why they weren't the Lyndsey Buckingham band - man, that guy was amazing! . . . just amazing.
This is a fantastic song... it is soooo good for the ears...
Just doesn't age, does it? Love it.
Wow, how many is that today?
Anyhow, this is a wonderful song. Or is it a cautionary tale?
Both!
This is a fantastic song... it is good for the ears...
Wow, how many is that today?
Anyhow, this is a wonderful song. Or is it a cautionary tale?
This is o.k., I like their earlier stuff better, like off Bare Trees or English Rose.
It just sounds so different than most of the other stuff that we hear by them, that I find it has stuck with me (in a positive way) over the year... unlike much of the rest of the overplayed songs on this album.
So does Lindsey Buckingham!
Srsly. And those of use hooked on the Peter Green/Danny Kirwan band were a little surprised and somewhat put off by Stevie Nicks, but Lindsay Buckingham's extraordinary songwriting talent makes up for it.
And although I like the Bob Welch incarnation, the FM remnants would have surely died a sudden death, at least financially, had they not stumbled across LB.
Srsly. And those of use hooked on the Peter Green/Danny Kirwan band were a little surprised and somewhat put off by Stevie Nicks, but Lindsay Buckingham's extraordinary songwriting talent makes up for it.
This is, at last, the place to express that I have NEVER understood what those balls are doing dangling in front of him.
Always puzzled me, and I still find it odd.
One of the first albums I owned, and we used to giggle hysterically at the cover. I was 8. Great album to grow up with.
whoa...never noticed before, will never be able to avoid it now...
and the more I look, is she staring right at them? The entire composition of the cover seems to be centered around those dangling balls.
Yeah—it's not even really that subtle. I'm sure Mick thought is was hilarious.
10 ++