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Flowing high and mighty trapped
Countless fire and flaming roads
Using ideas as my maps
We'll meet on edges soon, said I
Proud 'neath heated brow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
Half-wracked prejudice leaped forth
Rip down all hate, I screamed
Lies that life is black and white
Spoke from my skull, I dreamed
Romantic flanks of musketeers
Foundationed deep, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
In a soldier's stance I aimed my hand
At the mongrel dogs who teach
Fearing not I'd become my enemy
In the instant that I preach
Sisters fled by confusion boats
Mutiny from stern to bow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
My guard stood hard when abstract threats
Too noble to neglect
Deceived me into thinking
I had something to protect
Good and bad, I define these terms
Quite clear, no doubt, somehow
Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now
There's a podcast called My Back Pages by Barnes Newberry it's like a 3 hour music history lesson.
Thanks for the info.
Some hardcore drugs produced those lyrics. LOL
"Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now"
Uhhhhh. You do know, that Dylan wrote this song, don't cha?
Bob is many things (including a Nobel prize winner) but he's never been a hardcore drug user.
Perhaps you should use that new fangled thing called "Google" and do some research on the topic you choose to claim to be an expert.
FYI: I don't think Alta Vista woks any more.
How about? The world is coming down on me and I can't find a reason to be loved
I never want to leave you but I can't make you bleed if I'm alone
(How about something new, William?)
Some hardcore drugs produced those lyrics. LOL
"Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now"
Or you just don't understand the lyrics, the title of the song is a hint.
"Ah, but I was so much older then
I'm younger than that now"
Everytime I hear this I think of Bruce Springsteen's "For You." I know Bruce's song came much later.
me too. that's my fav bruce song next to growing up.
This was the first album I ever bought; it's still as excellent today as it was then.
Same here!
(the artist, not you)
i hear a nobel prize
I hear a Rickenbacker!
"I said, certified freak
Seven days a week......
So you pick one current song out of the thousands of songs out there now, and that serves as your example of the lyrical content of all contemporary music? That's a logical fallacy called "proof by example".
Everytime I hear this I think of Bruce Springsteen's "For You." I know Bruce's song came much later.
That was from back when Bruce wrote in a more ballad style, reminiscent of Dylan's classic work. He didn't want to be compared compared so he trimmed back his storytelling. I liked his first style better.
Love you Bill & Rebecca for giving us great listening experience all day long ❤️
Not sure what that means. The only "movement" I was involved in back then was surfing and all that came with that and a ten minute lazy walk to the beach. Oh, and there was a war going on that would be waiting for you when you graduated from high school.
I was living in the OC back when they were just a local L A act and this stuff was brand new. Worked then the same as it still does now.
best left in the 60s
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
So these are the lyrics kids today will remember fondly in 45 years? Cardi B:
"I said, certified freak
Seven days a week
Wet ass pussy
Make that pull-out game weak, wooYeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, you fucking with some wet ass pussy
Bring a bucket and a mop for this wet ass pussy
Give me everything you got for this wet ass pussyBeat it up, nigga, catch a charge
Extra large and extra hard
Put this pussy right in your face
Swipe your nose like a credit card
Hop on top, I wanna ride
I do a kegel while it's inside
Spit in my mouth, look in my eyes
This pussy is wet, come take a dive
Tie me up like I'm surprised
Let's role play, I wear a disguise
I want you to park that big Mack truck
Right in this little garage
Make it cream, make me scream
Out in public, make a scene
I don't cook, I don't clean
But let me tell you how I got this ring."
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
Not essential viewing and could have been a lot better a film. Still interesting, though. It was good to see old footage and hear some of the better music of the period.
I beg to differ about this overplayed group
I remember Pat Boone. Though I never bought "his" music... and I didn't like him much. Nice voice... no doubt. But...
There was lots of nonsense music back in the good ol' 60's too. Just as there is today. The gems are still there today. You just have to dig to find those treasures.
All that said... Love The Byrds!
Wow --- Saw GFR just a few years ago here in Orlando at the Harley-Davis Annual party -- They were GREAT!! Still!!
My only complaint was that I stood 20 feet away from the speakers and was almost deaf for three days!
I only wish their original first album was available... That collection was better than any one of their individual song tracks.
The younger generations will still look back fondly on 'their' music but, they will also have selective memory loss about having liked some artists, just like 'we' do. Who, for example, acknowledges that they rocked out to Grand Funk Railroad? GFR was huge for a long while way back when though, so clearly ALOT of people liked their music, even if nobody admits it now.
I like Grand Funk Railroad, still do, admit it freely. Even liked Eric Carmen, The Turtles, Sweet, Guess Who, Bachman Turner Overdrive and crap ton of other historical oddities. So what? There is no shame in liking whatever the hell I want to like. It shouldn't matter to anyone else. I don't and shouldn't care what they think anyway. Music is art. Much like religion, I will decide what it means to me. Let the younger generations have what they have. We aren't lamenting their lack of appreciation of symphonic music, but we should, and give that as much weight as the 60's or Big Band. All art has importance to whomever it touches. It is yours and mine. It is all ours. Enjoy what you choose.
Well said sir, well said.
There is a ton of good Rock and Roll music out there to be enjoyed, you're just not likely to discover it listening to FM Radio as we all did decades ago.
That being said, I'm not sure I agree that this generation will look back fondly at the music they liked when they were young. My 22 year old daughter has already disowned the fact that she once liked Britney Spears...
The younger generations will still look back fondly on 'their' music but, they will also have selective memory loss about having liked some artists, just like 'we' do. Who, for example, acknowledges that they rocked out to Grand Funk Railroad? GFR was huge for a long while way back when though, so clearly ALOT of people liked their music, even if nobody admits it now.
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
Perhaps I'm a particular species snob but I'm sure that the formation of my cultural psyche was very much a product of the many pressing issues of my baby boomerdom -- civil rights, inner city riots, nuclear and cold war, Vietnam and Tet and way more body bags than humane sense, proxy wars (Congo, Indonesia, Chile, Israel), a series of traumatic domestic and international assassinations, and much more. It was the final fade out of the age of what could be called post-world war innocence. The early Beatles were not just The Beatles. They were bellwethers of the zeitgeist -- the scandals in their own UK, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the murder of JFK, Martin Luther King and Selma and voting rights, the end of century old Jim Crow laws, global branding and newly emerging international media, and far more. Jesus, to lay all that on one quartet of barely 20 somethings, and all of their Stones and Dead peers and everyone else that grabbed such a gigantic comet tail of counter or alternative or future culture.
Sorry, no matter what -- though we still obviously struggle with race, war, nuclear weapons and scandal -- we are no longer nearly so naive, innocent or quite so ignorant or confused about up or down in a brave new world. Justin Bieber, Gaga or Mumford & Sons and just about anyone else have almost zero resonance on that relative '60s scale. They are just commodities when the world once had something like commandments.
Young protesters are often as about as intellectually sharp and self-aware as Donald Trump supporters.
You must have been a hoot when you were young. Thank God I missed that.
Quite clear, no doubt, some how.
Now who could write such lyrics? Ha!
That is quite a bit more prescient than I'd like to ponder. Need to change your username to Nostradukemas or some variation thereof.
Posted: Aug 22, 2015 14:57
owchita wrote:
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
hayduke2 wrote:
Emperor Trumps's portioning of Central America/Mexico into Giant Costco-stan, his creating the great western water park that used to be California before the 9.9 earthquake of 2016, and all the cultural splendor from the United States of Russiakorea, Nostrovia!!!
Back in Black - Trump 201203/22/2011 - (5:54)
Roger
Petty - playing in heaven
Eric
Neil
Bob
George
Me too. That one and this original always makes me stop and listen. The Byrds guitar is iconic.
Young protesters are often as about as intellectually sharp and self-aware as Donald Trump supporters.
"Intellectually sharp" ?
The first 'as' here in your attempt at a scathing profundity, is grammatically incorrect, Sparky.
MAGA ~
Young protesters are often as about as intellectually sharp and self-aware as Donald Trump supporters.
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
It's hard to say now what they may have to "look back on", but perhaps they can now look forward to being able to disparage the cultures of younger generations solely because they are from an older generation; kind of like some of our parents or grandparents did 45 years ago. Indulging in ageism seems to be a popular past-time on these boards.
I still have this too! Nice.
Crosby always had the cool look in the 60's. After that, I think Jon Lovitz had his look down better than Cros did:
Quite clear, no doubt, some how.
Roger
Petty
Eric
Neil
Bob
George
I used to think that when Eminem was at his peak- hard to imagine that it would be nostalgic music for some kids later on in life. On the other hand, my 17 year old recently came back from the record store with vinyls of Frank Sinatra, Miles Davis and Junip. And he says his tastes aren't as wide as his friends.
There are kids out there that deserve a bit more credit than we give them. I oftentimes think it's not so much about what the kids are listening to but what the record executives think the kids are listening to and how they think they're getting the music they listen to.
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
Motown.
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
Emperor Trumps's portioning of Central America/Mexico into Giant Costco-stan, his creating the great western water park that used to be California before the 9.9 earthquake of 2016, and all the cultural splendor from the United States of Russiakorea, Nostrovia!!!
Back in Black - Trump 201203/22/2011 - (5:54)
That being said, I'm not sure I agree that this generation will look back fondly at the music they liked when they were young. My 22 year old daughter has already disowned the fact that she once liked Britney Spears...
I used to think that when Eminem was at his peak- hard to imagine that it would be nostalgic music for some kids later on in life. On the other hand, my 17 year old recently came back from the record store with vinyls of Frank Sinatra, Miles Davis and Junip. And he says his tastes aren't as wide as his friends.
That is a great version. A guy named something Young sings on that too :)
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
Well said, especially the "generational preference" bit.
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
Good points...But one would think that with increased access to music now,it would be easier to find the next great bands
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
Well said sir, well said.
There is a ton of good Rock and Roll music out there to be enjoyed, you're just not likely to discover it listening to FM Radio as we all did decades ago.
That being said, I'm not sure I agree that this generation will look back fondly at the music they liked when they were young. My 22 year old daughter has already disowned the fact that she once liked Britney Spears...
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
It could only happen under a Vanilla Sky ..
Unfortunately when I hear it I can't help but think "I was so much younger then; I'm older than that now". ; )
I feel sorry for the current generation - in 45 years time, what can they possibly have to look back on ?
True enough, but their two best songs (I'll Feel A Whole Lot Better and Eight Miles High) were their own.
because unfortunately rock bands are dead lately.
although some "DJ" will sample a hit to make it his own
President Obama just scored a major diplomatic coup by restoring relations between Israel and Turkey.
Peace.
Yay! Peace for our time.
marvelous cover of a Dylan song... love it...
Took me 4 decades to figure out the lyrics but what the heck, eh?
Sweet cover. Lyrics beyond Dylan's years.
I just gotta stop on this and say damn. You're absolutely right. In a good way. I remember back in the day a lot us us would think and mention that because of all the Dylan tunes. At the same time, they had some of their own stuff which was pretty powerful on its own merit. But yep, heard that thought. Its just been nearly 45 years in between.
Was only gonna post that many good old songs weather time differently. This is one. Loved it then and now. It sounds better loud though after all these years. Not as quiet background music. Many old songs have this problem.
I'm also glad that at my ripenning age, I still like to hear music loud. Its not that I can't hear. My hearing is still pretty damned good. And I'm not sucking down Geritol and watching bubbles pop. Even though I never figured out that Rubicks cube thingy life ain't too bad.
President Obama just scored a major diplomatic coup by restoring relations between Israel and Turkey.
Peace.
Dude, where you gonna put your Byrds tattoo?
Some bands stand the test of time better than others, but it's largely down to the individual to get something out of an old band's music. Would love to know how many kids who grew up listening predominantly to hip-hop and rap like the Byrds and such.
I love this song, but I couldn't listen to it every week or month. It's a bit of a nostalgia trip but in a good way. The comments about the nasal singing are amusing—I think Bob started a trend. He probably wishes he could sing better. So do the rest of us.
I think I've got enough room below to the Balinese Trimurti mask on my upper arm.
I like this song too, but agree that I wouldn't want to hear it every day. This was the radical's music at the time I suppose. When music really caught my attention for the first time and I had started buying my own records it was Black Flag and Fear... a sign of the times I suppose.
Dude, I was one year old.
Dude, where you gonna put your Byrds tattoo?
Some bands stand the test of time better than others, but it's largely down to the individual to get something out of an old band's music. Would love to know how many kids who grew up listening predominantly to hip-hop and rap like the Byrds and such.
I love this song, but I couldn't listen to it every week or month. It's a bit of a nostalgia trip but in a good way. The comments about the nasal singing are amusing—I think Bob started a trend. He probably wishes he could sing better. So do the rest of us.
Dude, I was one year old.
One thing more irksome than Roger McGuinn's (sometimes) nasal, whining vocals (as in this tune), was Tom Petty spending so much time mimicking them. Whining vocals have their place though, and are within some very good songs.
Hey Romeotuma...
I'm almost afraid to ask. Did something happen to Cynaera?
I found this link on a posting in the RP forum: https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/elkodaily/obituary.aspx?n=ann-lucas-stepp&pid=156470402#fbLoggedOut.
Hey Romeotuma...
I'm almost afraid to ask. Did something happen to Cynaera?
Apologies, but would someone please upload the amazing version of this from Bobfest - Bob's 30th Anniversary celebration, featruing McGuinn, Petty, Clapton, Neil Young, Bob and George Harrison.
reminds me of times gone by...happy times.
Beatles are ok, but I'm burnt out on them
Doors had an edge, which is good.
Stones, Cream, CSNY, Momma's & Pappa's, Byrds, Beach Boys, and the rest of them are pretty lame
Maybe after 40 years, I just sick of this sound.
just saying
Google to see the albums that were released in 1969. There was so much good music that year that there was no "sound". Such a wide variety and great contributions in any category. Lots of deep cuts to explore. Sure some have been overplayed and some have not stood the test of time but hard to consider it as boring. Sometimes life makes it hard to be inspired. Hope your day improves.
Enough said
Johnny boy. Go and play in the sandbox now.
I love this song. I also love a fairly equal amount great music from the 70s, 80s, 90s, '00s and '10s.
Someday - if you are the kind of person who appreciates RP - you will understand.
Where the singers lined up in legendariness (if that was a word)
McGuinn
Petty
Young
Clapton
Dylan
Harrison
If I got that right. With the 2 distinct guitar solos of Neil and Eric
Excuse me, but wouldn't that be "Brilliant Bob, by way of The Byrds"? - just sayin' ...
I imagine they'll look back fondly on all the music they liked when they were young, just like every generation since WW2 onwards. I think that perhaps the reason that boomers decry the state of music today (aside from the ubiquitous generational preference for one's own music) is that they assume that music is consumed and appreciated as it was in their day. There is never going to be another person like Bob Dylan who's lyrics performed an essential expression and communication of generation's ideals, because they have internet forum, blogs, etc. to share and create their identities.
Similarly there'll never be another band as big as the Beatles, simply because there are so many other great bands. That is why you only see meteoric success in image based bands/artists like 1Direction or Bieber, where their very hugeness (in media presence and merchandising) is a large part of what attracts younger fans.
I think if you look at the charts or MTV these days and think that music is lacking, it's because you are looking in the wrong place. When I speak with young people who are interested in music their favourite bands are likely to come from a variety of continents, many won't be 'signed to a label' and almost all will have been discovered and listened to via the internet. With this level of diversity in musical taste only lowest common denominator groups will ever be superstars, but so what? Celebrities are mostly there to be fill space in the media and give middle-aged people something to tut about.
This comment was written 10 years ago and is just as true today.