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The girl in the photograph knew
Can't you see?
Why is she laughing at me?
I stumbled through the dark unaware
The face in the hall isn't there
Tomorrow has gone
Where do the voices come from?
Watching the leaves as they blew
Lost in the room with a view
Climb the wall
You did not know me at all
I fell through a hole in the floor
The audience cried out for more
Fadeaway
It's just another day
Hit heaven far too high
Hit heaven far too high
Hit heaven far too high
Hit heaven far too high
Hit heaven far too high
That was quite the manifesto for a poster who prefers Gabriel to Collins. I do too. But that does not mean Phil is without talent. They do different things. I've listened to KC, Yes, Gentle Giant, Rabbit, etc. They had signature sounds, also.
RP.
Great concert-Steve Wilson. and the drummer Gavin Harrison just unbelievable!
help, I am trying to leave the house and the cool songs just keep on coming. I can't just walk away.
The good news - there is a mobile app for just this scenario! ;)
I'm assuming the album title is a tip of the hat to the similarly named Led Zepplin album?
Does this sound anything like Led Zep?
that's so cute considering Wind & Wuthering 'older' Genesis. Yes technically it is, but I consider Nursery Cryme & Foxtrot as 'older' Genesis, not the Collins-era Genesis. That said, W&W was the last tolerable Genesis album before Phil took them into the pop style that made them (aka, him) a lot of money
I'll agree that W&W was the last "old style" Genesis album, but IMO it was Steve Hackett's departure, not Peter Gabriel's, that had the biggest impact on their change of style. Their direction would likely have been different if Steve had stayed.
If someone happens to like Peter's vocals over Phil's, I'm OK with that, it's just preference. Personally I'd have been glad to have either of them singing in my bands. But I'd encourage the Gabriel nostalgists to try a bit more critical thinking, and less mindless bandwagon jumping to memes that aren't borne out by the facts.
What have memes got to do with anything? Do you even know what a meme is?
The point is that the actual music that was made with Gabriel singing and, more importanly, writing the lyrics, is substantively different from the music made with Collins as lead vocalist. Personally I think Collins was a fabulous drummer with a decent voice but the quality of the songs after The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway plummeted. Or, to put it another, way, I thought the songs were mostly shit.
Oh, and you're wrong about Trespass too, but then that's probably not exactly breaking news.
"So cute"? Well I think it's just darling that you're still pining for Peter Gabriel and never got over it that Phil Collins was a great musician, singer, and songwriter in his own right. Why does Phil get the "blame" when Tony and Mike (and Steve) weren't exactly dragged kicking and screaming into it? They contributed just as much if not more than Phil to whatever material came after Peter's departure, (though I do think Steve got a bit shit on then, mainly from Tony's and Mike's decisions not to use much of his material, and can see why he left after W&W).
You make it sound like Phil was the all-powerful, money grubbing 'pop Nazi' with an iron fist. Well you don't know much about Rutherford and Banks then I'd say. No shrinking violets were they, who loved the filthy lucre that pop hits would bring them as much as anyone, including Gabriel.
It wasn't like they were all starving artists in the Gabriel years either. The band made quite a few shekels before Genesis went less prog and more pop, which incidentally, I would put more around the time of Abacab, not W&W. In other words, I'd say ...And Then There Were Three... and Duke were mainly prog records too. Go back and listen to them again, start to finish.
So we have what...four decent prog albums with Gabriel (the first album and Trespass, except for maybe The Knife, can be discounted as basically crap I think); and four decent prog albums post-Gabriel. Sounds fairly even to me.
Phil wasn't the only one to get rich from pop tunes in the 80s. Peter did too with his 80s pop records when he was the king of MTV airplay. Did we all hate Peter for stuff like Shock The Monkey, Big Time, and Sledgehammer? As a prog fan and drummer back then, I didn't. Remember too that the famous gated drum sound used on Phil's In The Air Tonight was actually from Peter's impetus, and had been first used on Peter's 3rd solo album (which was considered new wave/post-punk, not prog).
You also have to look at where other big prog acts were then - what bands like Yes, Tull, Crimson were putting out in the same time period of late 70s/early 80s and beyond. Prog was waning...punk, new wave/post-punk, hair bands, and a pop resurgence was coming in.
If someone happens to like Peter's vocals over Phil's, I'm OK with that, it's just preference. Personally I'd have been glad to have either of them singing in my bands. But I'd encourage the Gabriel nostalgists to try a bit more critical thinking, and less mindless bandwagon jumping to memes that aren't borne out by the facts.
EXCELLENT.....KUDOS!!!
Actually I'm a fan of both iterations - Peter for his theatrics, and Phil for taking over (whether willingly or not) as the lead and leading the band to such a successful run. Not sure if the same would have occurred if Peter stuck around.
that's so cute considering Wind & Wuthering 'older' Genesis. Yes technically it is, but I consider Nursery Cryme & Foxtrot as 'older' Genesis, not the Collins-era Genesis. That said, W&W was the last tolerable Genesis album before Phil took them into the pop style that made them (aka, him) a lot of money
"So cute"? Well I think it's just darling that you're still pining for Peter Gabriel and never got over it that Phil Collins was a great musician, singer, and songwriter in his own right. Why does Phil get the "blame" when Tony and Mike (and Steve) weren't exactly dragged kicking and screaming into it? They contributed just as much if not more than Phil to whatever material came after Peter's departure, (though I do think Steve got a bit shit on then, mainly from Tony's and Mike's decisions not to use much of his material, and can see why he left after W&W).
You make it sound like Phil was the all-powerful, money grubbing 'pop Nazi' with an iron fist. Well you don't know much about Rutherford and Banks then I'd say. No shrinking violets were they, who loved the filthy lucre that pop hits would bring them as much as anyone, including Gabriel.
It wasn't like they were all starving artists in the Gabriel years either. The band made quite a few shekels before Genesis went less prog and more pop, which incidentally, I would put more around the time of Abacab, not W&W. In other words, I'd say ...And Then There Were Three... and Duke were mainly prog records too. Go back and listen to them again, start to finish.
So we have what...four decent prog albums with Gabriel (the first album and Trespass, except for maybe The Knife, can be discounted as basically crap I think); and four decent prog albums post-Gabriel. Sounds fairly even to me.
Phil wasn't the only one to get rich from pop tunes in the 80s. Peter did too with his 80s pop records when he was the king of MTV airplay. Did we all hate Peter for stuff like Shock The Monkey, Big Time, and Sledgehammer? As a prog fan and drummer back then, I didn't. Remember too that the famous gated drum sound used on Phil's In The Air Tonight was actually from Peter's impetus, and had been first used on Peter's 3rd solo album (which was considered new wave/post-punk, not prog).
You also have to look at where other big prog acts were then - what bands like Yes, Tull, Crimson were putting out in the same time period of late 70s/early 80s and beyond. Prog was waning...punk, new wave/post-punk, hair bands, and a pop resurgence was coming in.
If someone happens to like Peter's vocals over Phil's, I'm OK with that, it's just preference. Personally I'd have been glad to have either of them singing in my bands. But I'd encourage the Gabriel nostalgists to try a bit more critical thinking, and less mindless bandwagon jumping to memes that aren't borne out by the facts.
Great track, Bill!
that's so cute considering Wind & Wuthering 'older' Genesis. Yes technically it is, but I consider Nursery Cryme & Foxtrot as 'older' Genesis, not the Collins-era Genesis. That said, W&W was the last tolerable Genesis album before Phil took them into the pop style that made them (aka, him) a lot of money
EDIT..... Not yet, that is.
Unfortunately Steven was unable to sing due to laryngitis..
Interesting you should say that. I was thinking Floyd and then it came up saying PT and I was not disappointed. PT are like a mood. I think great Floyd songs are great but I definitely like more by PT where some of the Floyd goes a bit weird for me.
Great track, Bill!
Erm... have you listened to A Saucerful of Secrets? Porky Pine Tree's effort is a mere carbon copy of Dave Gilmour's latterday warbling and melodic guitar work....
Carbon copy? No
Indebted to? Sure
Erm... have you listened to A Saucerful of Secrets? Porky Pine Tree's effort is a mere carbon copy of Dave Gilmour's latterday warbling and melodic guitar work....
A carbon copy gooky? That's a bit of a stretch. All artists are inspired by other musicians/bands. What would Led Zeppelin and the Rolling Stones sound like without inspiration from the blues?
As long as middle PT is not PMT.... I agree...
Photo Mechanical Transfer?
Now, that's a phrase I haven't heard in ages . . .
Agreed, agreed.
Erm... have you listened to A Saucerful of Secrets? Porky Pine Tree's effort is a mere carbon copy of Dave Gilmour's latterday warbling and melodic guitar work....
Agreed, agreed.
This was my first PT album back in '93/94. Saw a half page ad in a music magazine and one of the quotes was
"if Pink Floyd had just released their first album then this is what it would sound like"
So in my opinion more spacy and soundscapey (?) but if you like 'em now go and discover their early stuff.
does anyone have a clue what he's talking about ?
westslope replied:
The up and down moments of performing. From exhilaration to wishing you were dead. (Well, not literally...)
I'm further confused to see Alan Duffy (King Africa?) credited with the lyrics for this song. I had a fine series of pictures in my mind of a man at the tail end of a stimulant binge writing sentences on 3 x 5 cards, and then finding a sort of non-linear order in his own chaos.
But now I am just impressed with the diversity of Steven Wilson's "connections."
Actually, I'm pretty sure you're right, westslope.
The up and down moments of performing. From exhilaration to wishing you were dead. (Well, not literally...)
Agreed, agreed.
now i'm sailin
Not really, though there's definitely a sad and surreal vibe going on. One of my PT top 5 for sure!
I sat in the room with a view
The girl in the photograph knew
Can't you see?
Why is she laughing at me?
I stumbled through the dark unaware
The face in the hall isn't there
Tomorrow has gone
Where do the voices come from?
Watching the leaves as they blew
Lost in the room with a view
Climb the walls
You did not know me at all
I fell through a hole in the floor
The audience cried out for more
Fadeaway It's just another day
Hit heaven far too high...
It's all good PT.
As long as middle PT is not PMT.... I agree...
Agreed - this tune always pulls me in deeper as it progresses. Love It!
Yes, in fact it inspired me to go find this.
Of course, YouTube wasn't even around when you posted that question in 2003.
That's cool! The internet evolves while we watch and listen
It's all good PT.
A stranger in a strange land.....
Oh yippeeee! I love PT Haven't heard this one before......so chilled and beautiful
and your point is? ;-)
Dave_Mack wrote:
Yes, in fact it inspired me to go find this.
Of course, YouTube wasn't even around when you posted that question in 2003.
yep, which is why i can't call myself a true prog-rock fan, nor would i categorize PT as pure prog-rock
I had no idea that they had been around this long (1993) & longer:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porcupine_Tree
I second that thought! Thanks RP!!!
Third!
(also Steven Wilson and Patty Griffin - had never heard of any of them until I came to RP.)
I second that thought! Thanks RP!!!
You mean your own comment?
Maybe it should be called astral-travelling rock.
See you over Greenland?
"Dark Matter" loud 5 times. OK, I could use a change of life.