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Most people wouldn't mind a voter ID if there was a compelling need, namely widespread voting fraud. The Republicans have never been able to prove such fraud.
Also, people would be more accepting of a voter ID if it were easier to obtain one. States throw up all sorts of obstacles to obtaining a photo ID. The Real ID law is another attempt at voter suppression.
"Long story short, you all are full of shit and then some."
You claim you support American democracy but have supported every major attempt to subvert or overthrow it, Jan. 6 included.
It is unconscionable to support the protection of well heeled pedophiles and armed thugs invading cities, killing Americans. No cherry picking criminal immigrants with "what aboutism" attempts at false equivocation. ICE is/was an armed invasion, they killed Americans. Squirrel Pointing or lame attempts at humor will make neither of those issues moral or acceptable.
Again: requiring a voter ID pretends to be a safeguard against an almost non-existent problemâvoter fraud.
Requiring voter ID, like requiring a literacy test, has been used to suppress voting among poorer and minority voters.
If you don't understand that Trump and the Republicans are trying to suppress the vote and voting rights, then I really can't help you.
This is the crux of the matter. The republicans are not concerned about enabling legitimate voters to cast their ballots. They want to prevent valid votes by using the guise of preventing an insignificant number of incorrect votes.
fuck you again. You were only trying to delegitimize and humiliate me.
and you as well.
I am not mentally incapacitated as you all are trying to make the case for.
Your belief systems tell you that no one in their right mind could support Trump at any level.
Funny, I feel the same way about your all's support for Biden until the obvious happened with the now famous debate.
But using your logic, at least I have an excuse while you all do not. I keep wondering how intelligent people can be so stupid and so easily misled / fooled / deceived.
Old chemo brained me wasn't fooled, yet you all were. So how do you explain that one now ?
My point was that it doesn't matter if you are mentally incapacitated for any reason. It doesn't give you a pass for your support of cruelty to children and others who sometimes are in the country illegally and sometimes are not but are caught up in the weponization of ICE.
As for Biden, I previously set out my disagreement with him and my reasons for supporting him over the alternative. You are the one who refuses to consider trump's mental incapacity in spite of his own statements and you excuse his behaviour in any case.
I totally get that. The point is that valid ID is required for almost everything, especially when interacting with government. Why the glaring exception for voting, one of the most sacred acts and rights of citizenship ? There is, imo, no justification anymore, not that there ever was any justification to begin with.
Do we or don't we want a secure voting process where only those eligible can vote ? I do.
Again: requiring a voter ID pretends to be a safeguard against an almost non-existent problem—voter fraud.
Requiring voter ID, like requiring a literacy test, has been used to suppress voting among poorer and minority voters.
If you don't understand that Trump and the Republicans are trying to suppress the vote and voting rights, then I really can't help you.
what's a little child rape as long as you don't have to admit you were wrong?
Sadly... I think that's the trap he was (unsuccessfully) fighting to avoid. Do I think he supports rape... I hope not... but in the process he missed the chance to claim a shred to objectivity and honesty.
The subject is requiring verifiable ID for voting.
You are entertaining with your insufferable ineptness.
I did not pick the subject. Isabeau did.
I just responded to her. So deflect, obfuscate anything but engage. Talk about being disingenuous ... your picture is in the dictionary with the definition.
You just keep embarrassing yourself, which in your case with all of your hubris, is impossible.
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Voter fraud, which is what you are claiming to want to prevent, is very uncommon, ...
Voting is a state activity... Employment laws are national. Should NYC have come out and said "show up...no documentation needed...no questions asked....cash paid for shoveling"?
The subject is requiring verifiable ID for voting.
You are entertaining with your insufferable ineptness.
islander wrote:
Same way we explain most of your tirades - you have selectively poor reading comprehension, and you choose to order your 'facts' in ways that aren't aligned with reality.
I totally get that. The point is that valid ID is required for almost everything, especially when interacting with government. Why the glaring exception for voting, one of the most sacred acts and rights of citizenship ? There is, imo, no justification anymore, not that there ever was any justification to begin with.
Do we or don't we want a secure voting process where only those eligible can vote ? I do.
a) Voting is a state activity and the states rights people insisted they get to set the parameters.
b) Voter registration is required in most states that I know of to get a ballot, and that step typically involves verification of your person/residency. Here in WA we mostly vote my mail, so there is no one to show an ID to, but in order to get my ballot, I have to register and show and ID. When my ballot is counted, the signature is validated against voter registration records, and verified that way.
Voter fraud, which is what you are claiming to want to prevent, is very uncommon, it rarely impacts the outcome of a race, and it is mostly carried out by republicans. Voter intimidation/suppression, which is what you aim to accomplish with these policies, typically helps republicans who aren't competitive without dishonest antics.
