I get enough DM on the radio around here. Then to hear him twice in a couple of hours on RP is too much. I agree that he is overrated and overplayed. IMO, he's just the latest in the fad of irritatingly mellow, subdued formula pop. :?

redeyespy wrote: Exactly what I was thinking. And for the record, I own and really enjoy Remember Two Things and Crash.

Is there a more overrated band? Not the past 2 years. So whiny, like a male Alanis.

You know what? I'm going to buy this album. Yes.

brighthue wrote: Huh? You must not be a drummer, and you probably haven't heard Carter Beauford play much, I guess. The guy is a genius. Incredibly technically proficient. Buy or rent "Under the Table and Drumming" which is one of Carter's instructional videos. I am a drummer with 20+ years of experience, and oftentimes I've thought I'd heard overdubbed drum parts on several DMB albums,thinking there is no way (physically,) to play the parts. But seeing the video, you finally see how Carter can do these seemingly impossible parts by himself, which he often does live. (One-handed, single stroke rolls, anyone?) I will confess that I couldn't even ATTEMPT something like that, and that my two-handed single stroke rolls probably sound worse than his one-handeds. I suppose what I appreciate most from Carter (via the videos adn various interviews I've read,) is the fact that he still considers himself to be a humble student, learning from other legendary drummers past and present. I bet you'd be pretty hard pressed to find another "rock star" with this sort of outlook. Anyway, I guess we all take our inspiration wherever we can get it, so I will continue to listen to (and learn from,) Carter and a slew of other drummers from different times and places.

Hob wrote: I couldn't have said this any better. There are a lot of music snobs that just write a song off because they loathe where the song is played or the fans that generally enjoy the song. Its a hypocritical way to judge music if you ask me.

Extreme no 1:You must enjoy anything that gets mainstream air time. Extreme no 2:You must loathe anything that gets mainstream air time. It's a shame if anything gets played to death, but when you only judge a song by where it gets played then you're gonna miss out.

Not to fan the consistent flames of negativity but, this song is depressingly bad. The orchestral crescendo at the end is especially laughable and desparate.

sabulose wrote:I'm still trying to figure out why seemingly intelligent adults like Dave Matthews. Sure, he can strum a bit o' gee-tar and arrange tunes, but that voice of his IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE!! I believe he's the "easy listening music" of Gen X and Gen Y. In other words, it sucks!

Awesome song from the best Dave Matthews album yet. This song in peticular really grows on you, as does the whole album. The string arrangement and orchestration at the end of the song is brilliant! Dave just keeps getting better and better.

stripes wrote: Once again, the music snobs must raise their ugly heads and bash Dave. I've never heard any of Dave's new stuff on the radio. I'm glad it's played here.

GaryG wrote: same here!

Finally...a DM song I dig !

archrrone wrote: We are music lovers here, but some music enthusiasts are CERTAIN that their taste in music is the right one, and all others should be shunned. I'm sure there's no harm meant by most of the negativity; it's just people taking the piss out of each other... Please, don't be afraid! I, for one, also enjoy every song that is played here, but I also think it's my responsibility to tell anyone that doesn't like Carter Beauford (or Brady Blade for that matter) that they are stupid. Enjoy the music!

Zygomatic wrote: You need to look a bit harder.

just lowered my rating from 3 to 2....

Produced by Phil Spector?

Some Devil = teh suck :( I miss the old DMB -- Crash, even Before These Crowded Streets were terrific... the Luther College album has some great stuff too (though it can't properly be called a "solo" effort, Tim Reynolds is amazing).

The song's just... eh. Not atrocious, but certainly nothing great. The thing that bugs is just how often it gets plaid on RP. Enough already!

I'm a defenite DM fan, but this is far from his best work.

no offense to my DM fanatic friends, but... this is really quite bad, even for him. sappy, overwraught, overproduced, empty music here, imnsho.

Zygomatic wrote: you're absolutely right. i'm not a huge DMB person, but a musical idiot knows that if you're going to pick on them, you lay off carter beauford's talent because there's nothing to mess with there.

I like Dave and DMB in general, though I am not familiar with all of their work. The ending to this song just didn't do it for me, causing me to drop my original rating.

I am not a DM fan but that song was great, maybe i will become a DM fan.

eatmeyall wrote: I haven't seen a majority of people here that don't like it. If it means that much to you, then you don't have to listen.

brighthue wrote: Are you kidding me? Carter Beauford is one of the best drummers around, and I'm not a DMB fan at all.

It's not bad, for DM, but if even a newbie like me encounters it each day, maybe it *is* a bit overplayed.

Bill, you crack me up. Keep the DM and DMB coming.

I really dig this album. I also have no problem with the frequency of DM being played here...it's funny that I like pretty mich every single song that Bill plays (that you!)...some of you more critical folks need to ease up a bit and "enjoy the music!" No offense is intended...I just dont understand the amount of negative comments...and not just on DM stuff...I thought a station like this would be listened to by music lovers... Sean

I either love or hate DM, on a per-song basis, and this is one that is beginning to fall into the love column.

Here's someone who refines OVER-RATED. Please do not play him anymore. This is what mainstream radio is for. :roll: :roll:

BillG wrote: Otherwise, no matter what the majority want, they will keep shoving dave Matthews down our throats. Thank you so much!

brighthue wrote: The Dead were often accused of being a sub-par band skill-wise as well, but the music both bands make is better than their individual technical prowess. You could also claim Dylan's or Hendrix's voices were a bit rough, or Neil Young couldn't keep time, but it doesn't really matter when the music itself is just so damn good! I guess there are two camps of people: those that rate music rationally, and those that rate it purely on feeling. I could listen to someone play off key and not care as long as they were playing with some passion. But then again, I listen to Wesley Willis from time to time, so what do I know. :)

I have never listened to a lot of DM and I do like this song. Perhaps I'm not fried on commercial radio like some on this board seem to be. I just said no. I suppose "Thanking A God" that I have an extensive music collection and sources like RP would be in order here.

Just awful. Really, really awful. Someone make it stop. Please.

Can we have a radio station withouth theis Matthews guy. Pleeeeeeeeeese! He is average at best!

Chunnamark wrote: I couldn't agree more. It's refreshing to hear DM's voice and songwriting backed by musicians who aren't trying to play beyond their respective technical abilities. Sorry DMB members and fans but, nearly every time I hear a live recording of DMB, I notice that the drummer is playing too far forward, timing is a bit off (or worse) and at least one other member of the band is dragging the tempo down. The live recording of "Stay" is a prime example. This is high school band stuff. Still in all, I appreciate hearing Dave Matthews, as his music is intelligent and um, a bit eclectic in its combination of styles.

Oh well. All great sets must come to an end. (Dave once every two or three days would be fine, thank you. Isn't "heavy rotation" pretty much antithetic to "eclectic" and "progressive" radio? I'm just askin'.)

It's too bad he has such a stigma with some people... this album does have qualities of goodness to it... I think he is trying to add to his credibility by playing with some repected musicians (Trey and Ray Pazckowski, Tony Hall, Brady Blade of Spyboy, and Tim Reynolds, of course), and putting out an album that doesn't sound a whole lot like DMB. And he held his own on stage with them this week... jpalembas wrote:

Love this outro... The Battle Of A Thousand Violins And Celloes

jpalembas wrote: Amen to that! You said it!

Most of the tracks from this CD don't do anything for me. This one, however -- YEAH! :-({|=

am a big dave fan, though this song is not high on my list. but for pete's sake... do all the dave haters just go to every song in the library and paste in the same "overplayed/overrated" comments again and again? bill is gonna play some dave every now and again, just like he plays some artists i don't like occasionally, and ya know what you do? turn the volume down for 5 minutes and then come back and appreciate the best damn radio station ever that you are listening to for FREE! (unless, of course, you make the occasional contribution which doesn't begin to do justice to the unconditional and fervent love you feel for what this station adds to your life. oh, and thanks for the the raffle giveaway prize in october btw bill and rebecca )

BillG wrote:OMG Bill this guy is still around? He's been saying the same stuff for what, about 3 years! Anyway, I don't care for DMB particularly, but I really do enjoy this song, especially the orchestration at the end. Your segue from this song into Apocalyptica's Drive is wonderful.

Not to be presumptuous, but maybe I can speak for those people who got really into DMB in high school or college. (I am now 27.) He was great then, with a refreshing and infectious sound. Years later, though, his sound, I believe, is tired and played out. I know people my age who are still fanatical about him, and I just don't understand it. Maybe it's just me, but there aren't that many bands that I was really into back in college (i.e., Phish, Allman Bros., Jayhawks, Widespread, etc.) that I still love with the same fervor or even tolerate now -- I grew out of most of them (especially the jam bands, which just keep doing the same old thing) and moved on to what I think are much more interesting bands and sounds.

nice orchestrastion at the end...made me sit up and take notice 8O

me = nice smackdown, bill ;)

eric wrote: A challenge to all RP listeners: find me one positive post about anything from our buddy Eric here. If such a thing exists, it has to be outnumbered 100 to 1 by complaints. A hint, good sir: I pay a lot of attention to enthusiastic, postive responses to songs - and almost none to knee-jerk criticisms of specific artists. Continuing to post complaints like this to every DM song in the library won't do you a bit of good - and reading them is, uh, "unengaging and tiresome".

I don't know. You either like Dave, or you don't. This tune reminds me of the CD "Before These Crowded Streets," my favoirte from his band... Only this one doesn't have the instrumental sounds of that album. I kinda like this darker sounding side of Dave, just as I did with that album. It DOES seem like more work went into this than the last few things that his band just kinda threw together. Not too band for a solo venture. I'd like to hear some of the other tunes.

eric wrote: For f*ck's sake! That's it. Time for a break from RP.

Another day, another dose...

Arghhhh! Just heard him 4 hours ago! Please, please ease up on the DM, Bill.

I'm torn, i'm torn... I love Dave Matthews, but I tend to agree that there's a bit too much of him on RP. HOWEVER! In comparison to commercial radio stations, a particular artist gets played 14 times a day, and that's usually just one song. If it's too much for you, you can just run your own online radio station and play as much or as little of him as you want!! At least one can hear a variety of Dave Matthews (and his band) on RP with NO commercials. And nowhere else on earth (except maybe on my harddrive) would you be able to hear Dave matthews followed by Beethoven. How about some more classical on RP (in moderation, of course)? :-({|=

there's far too much dave mathews stuff on rp!

Eul0gy wrote: It's theraputic to get all that pompous, ponderous, bombastic crrrap out of their systems at once.

Platypus wrote: Only once? You should be happy. Get with the program! :whip: Someday Bill, you're going to tire of having to create 'fresh' playlists. (I would guess you already have at times, since you get 'behind' when other duties call.) Please stop putting 'new' songs/artists into 'heavy rotation' and you can create timeless lists. FWIW, I'm a DM(B) fan, but I'm a much bigger fan of moderation.

Platypus wrote: Yep! Couldn't agree more. So please a bit less of DM for me. I know he has a lot of fans out there in RP land but surely they don't need a DM fix every day!! Having said that, I rated this a six - one of his better efforts to my ears.

DavidCarrico wrote: Actually, I'm at work. It doesn't sound any better here either.

I agree with several others - overplayed and overrated. When I hear the occasional good song, I can't bear to listen to the end. Time for a DMB diet.